'Pro-Lifers' Plan National Protest of Contraception

For a long time it was illegal to use birth control in many states. The pro-life and anti-contraceptive and abstinence only and anti-gay movement is all about controlling people's sexual behavior, it has nothing to do with babies and it never did. The Baby-Killer argument was just the most vivid and successful of all the arguments they ever came up with so it has been the most outspoken of all the platforms.

PEOPLE HAVE SEX! A LOT! TEENAGERS TOO! GET OVER IT, IT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE HUMANS WALKED THE EARTH. AIN'T A DAMN THING ANY OF YOU PRUDES CAN DO ABOUT IT!

So, rather than get rid of contraceptives because they encourage unwed people to engage in sexual intercourse, lets give out free condoms and birth control to anyone who wants it, 13, sure, 87, why not. Everyone has sex, some earlier than others, and some as old as you can imagine.

WARN EVERYONE ABOUT STDs! Show your 10 year old pictures of Genital Warts and Herpes and I guarantee you will make an impression! Show them people dying of AIDS in Africa and the orphans as a consequence and then tell them how to avoid all that: CONDOMS!

EDUCATION WORKS! Since people will always have sex at varying ages and there is nothing we can do to stop it (please don't start thinking about contraptions attached to people's pelvises) lets protect everyone from the dangers of intercourse by teaching about and providing if necessary Condoms and The Pill. That way your 14 year old daughter doesn't come home telling you she is pregnant by her 16 year old herpes infected boyfriend, that would avoid a LOT of abortions if you ask me.

Sorry for the rant, it is just so logical to me, why not the rest of this country?

PEOPLE HAVE SEX! A LOT! TEENAGERS TOO! GET OVER IT, IT'S BEEN GOING ON SINCE HUMANS WALKED THE EARTH. AIN'T A DAMN THING ANY OF YOU PRUDES CAN DO ABOUT IT!

And there ain't a damn thing it's got to do with you, either.

Actually, it does have some public health issues attached to it, which is why we should pass out condoms for free to anyone who asks for them. However, trying to control the sexual activities of others is a ridiculous idea and the most intrusive thing I could ever imagine. If they're gonna do it, might as well give them the protection to keep the public safe from diseases.

they don't want married people to practise birth-control even?

I think when you split that specific hair, it's "they don't want their names officially attached to any support of people using contraception when they face final judgment"

I don't know if you've seen it, but George Carlin had a funny bit about this... since most fertilized eggs are naturally flushed out of the body, the anti-abortion people are telling us that any woman who has had more than one period is a serial killer!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vSCkjws3oI

MTH,

Hysterical!... yet reasonable.

We block YouTube at work, but I'll have to check it out later at home. I'll bet it's hilarious.

you're killing a potential life. All those wasted eggs! I can't believe these people didn't mention that along with their other insane ideas.

It was covered in the comments section by a satirical rebuttal. Too funny.

Uhhhhhh....maybe you mean "conception"?

Wow, now I really don't know what came first, the chicken or the egg.

It's all just cells. Cells. The baby isn't a human until contraception. Preventing contraception from happening doesn't kill anything. I don't know what these radicals are thinking but they are insane.

It's not about reproduction. It's about interfering in other people doing something they don't approve of. They don't care about reproduction, they care about people having sex and enjoying it. I found these type of people tiresome and ridiculous in the 60's and nothing has changed since then.

They don't care about reproduction, they care about people having sex and enjoying it.

Well, since they obviously don't enjoy it themselves, they simply wish to spread their misery around.

Wow, now I really don't know what came first, the chicken or the egg.

That's been decided. There's a cartoon going around. The egg and the chicken are lying in bed, propped up on pillows. The egg is smoking a cigarette with a satisfied look on its face. The chicken, looking somewhat disgruntled, says "well, I guess we answered that question."

only interested in forcing everybody to live under their specific form of ultra conservative Christian morality.

They feel like they'll have to stand naked at the foot of the cross someday and explain to god why they did or didn't do all they could.

They're just wanting to be proud of their actions.

they may be misguided, but they're going full speed ahead with conviction. Some part of me has to respect that.

Wouldn't god not want people condemning and judging women for reproductive choices? The anti-choice guilt trip mentality doesn't make sense to me...
On another note- It is sad that my little sister is being told that contraception is abortion at her Catholic school. It's so frustrating- we could prevent abortion if more women were given access to contraception! Let's do our part to stop this illogical message. June 7th, I plan on being outside of Planned Parenthood in its support.

they may be misguided, but they're going full speed ahead with conviction. Some part of me has to respect that.

It just scares the crap out of me.

Wouldn't god not want people condemning and judging women for reproductive choices? The anti-choice guilt trip mentality doesn't make sense to me...

always bothered me any religious law. The point of free will and faith, is so that we can choose to follow god and gods law. So by forcing it on people your are circumventing gods test and as such evil people would go to heaven simply for the fact that they were forced to follow god's law but not based on what they really believed.
Seems like they should be on the side of educating as much as possible and then letting people decide for themselves. More the ones you lose but stay out of the law. Forced faith is a contradiction in terms.

Wouldn't god not want people condemning and judging women for reproductive choices?

I personally am not so sure what god would want,

These people on the other hand (some of them being my parents) are quite certain on the matter.

Actually, the philosophy is: if you're having sex, you're making reproductive choices; specifically, you're making the choice to reproduce. Sex is for reproduction. it's nice that it's pleasurable, that's a gift from god, but to use sex purely for pleasure is an abuse of that gift.

People who are pretty well balanced in the view are pretty clear that they're not judging or condemning, but certainly can't condone and can't support legality of contraception/abortion etc. as such.

Not supporting legality of contraception for others IS judging and condemning. Plain and simple.

Not supporting legality of contraception for others IS judging and condemning. Plain and simple.

how d'ya figure?

how'd ya figure? umm cause if you think contraceptives are bad you can avoid them.. no one is making your buy them.
If you don't support them being legal, you are judging others on your morals, forcing them to make a descion that agrees with you.

Logic dictates though,t hat there could be various other reasons to no suppport the legality of contraceptive that have nothing o do with morals. Perhaps you think it's more dangerous than let on, I suppose. But the reality is, the loud people on the subject are all judging others based on their own morals, and I'm sure you can figure that.

Katrix, read the posts on this thread mocking these people for their beliefs. How is this not judging and condemning?

Not supporting legality of contraception for others IS judging and condemning. Plain and simple.

Legality, the key word. For me these people have a right to believe what they want. As those on this thread do also. But no one has the right to make it legal or illegal. That's where the argument falls down. It's not anyone's damn business but who ever stretches the latex.

Now what I fear is that the Griswold case will determine the outcome because that seems to be one point they got right. The "right" to privacy was determined by the SCOTUS and that could change.

So I would leave these clowns alone and head them off at the pass. Get your government out of the arena altogether. Don't fight for the right to contraception, fight for that right not to be decided by the government at all.

A conspiracy theorist would tell you it's misdirection. Get both children screaming for something you are not suppose to have and they become conditioned to think you should have it. It's brilliant really. While you spend your energy fighting the freaks, the feds take away your rights anyway. They don't care either way as long as you play the game and accept that your leaders decide on the outcome.

If you don't support them being legal, you are judging others on your morals, forcing them to make a descion that agrees with you.

I'm still not seeing the "judging" nor "condemning" there. "deciding" maybe, but not judging or condemning.

But the reality is, the loud people on the subject are all judging others based on their own morals, and I'm sure you can figure that.

"the loud people?"

I'll grant you that they tend to be judgmental, but judging is not inherent nor central to what they're doing, it's more of a self righteous perk; and they know they shouldn't be indulging in it but hey...

I'm thinking in order to fit being called "judging" there would have to be some final word on what a person is. I don't see how voting on a law banning contraception does that.

Allan Neal:

But no one has the right to make it legal or illegal.

I think you may be forgetting the whole "of the people by the people for the people" thing.

I agree that it shouldn't be anyone's business what I do with a rubber, but my "should" isn't any more or less valid than anyone else's.

Katrix, read the posts on this thread mocking these people for their beliefs. How is this not judging and condemning?

That may be judging and condemning too - but at least we're not trying to tell others they have to use birth control just because we don't personally want to have 10 kids. They're welcome to not use birth control, to believe sex is only for reproductive reasons (and they must think I'm a horrible person, since I was married for 10 years and am childless by choice), or to abstain. But they need to stay out of my bedroom.

I am going to condemn someone who tries to force a religious belief down my throat - but not for having that belief.

I think you may be forgetting the whole "of the people by the people for the people" thing.

I agree that it shouldn't be anyone's business what I do with a rubber, but my "should" isn't any more or less valid than anyone else's.

I'm suggesting that your "should" should not be taken to the Federal Government level unless it's to say they have no right to decide (on abortion, contraception, marriage, divorce, IDs, and so many other things they've stuck their noses into) which they don't. Now the state level is another issue, but we're not there yet. It's a long battle.

We the people are the States first. It's a Republic, not a Democracy. I did not forget it. But sometimes I wish I could. ; )

Why aren't they protesting the war(s)? Cannot fathom how one can be pro-life and pro-war at the same time. What am I missing here?

you're assuming they're pro war. The people who are against contraception that I know are also against the war and the death penalty and a litany of other things.

it's just a matter of prioritizing. "Baby killing" happens to be the top one for them. Being a fanatic takes up alot of time and there are only so many hours in the day.

pro war christains see it as fullfilling biblical prophecy.

Edit
pro war muslims also see it as fullfilling koranical prophecy.
and pro war jews see it as full filling torahanic prophecy.

huh?

note to Austinite1:

you could look it up. . .

If men got pregnant, abortion would be a sacrament.

I wouldn't get one so please don't go pissing on a whole gender to make a point. People are people. This comes across just as self righteous as the anti contraceptive folks.